Rosie O’Donnell vs. ‘Poor little Elisabeth’ – Who won?
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What follows is a line by line review of yesterday’s ten-minute smackdown, with points awarded to all those involved. Did your favorite win? Keep reading…
- In the beginning, when Joy tries to say something, Rosie responds: “Wait, Joy.�
1 point for Rosie. Way to control the table.
-1 point for Joy. She actually �waited� when Rosie told her to.
- When Rosie tries to get Elisabeth to answer, “Did Iraq attack us on 9/11?� she snaps, “I’m saying our enemies, Al Quaeda [attacked us]. Are you hearing that?� Rosie appears to be taken back by the blonde’s sudden attack. “Um, I hear it…�
1 point for Elisabeth…for that added bit of rudeness. Why stay civil?
-1 point for Rosie…for stuttering. The ‘pure little Christian� got the better of her there. - Elisabeth uses the analogy: “If you’re playing a game, and you’re going to say, okay I’m going to throw to my wide receiver, wide right. Do you do that? I’m going to do that in two seconds. What does that do for your enemy? Rosie responds, “Well you know what Elisabeth? If the enemies are innocent civilians I don’t want to play that kind of football.�
-1 point for Elisabeth, for recycling tired political talking point mumbo jumbo… the war as a sport’s game? Please.
1 point for Rosie for choosing not to play. I only like to play football with military combatants as well!
- O’Donnell says she initially didn’t want to say anything “because here’s how it gets spun in the media: ‘Rosie, big fat lesbian loud Rosie, attacks innocent pure Christian Elisabeth.’ ” Elisabeth responds, “I haven’t heard that line.â€? And Rosie says: “You should watch some of the shows that you say you don’t watch.
0 points for Rosie. She mischaracterized the media. Sure, Donald Trump’s called her those things but he isn’t exactly “the media.�
0 points for Elisabeth. She doesn’t watch those shows? Really? She’s on them every other week. - Hasselbeck says: “I just don’t understand why it’s my fault if people spin words that you put out there or phrases that suggest things? And I gave you an opportunity two days ago to clarify the statement that got you in trouble on all those stations.”
“That got me in trouble?” O’Donnell responded sarcastically. “As a friend, you gave me the opportunity. That was very sweet of you. I was asking you, who actually knows me, do you believe I think our troops are terrorists, Elisabeth?”
Hasselbeck tries to respond, “I don’t think…â€?
But Rosie cuts her off: “Do you believe that, yes or no?”
“Excuse me. Let me speak,” Hasselbeck says, raising a finger in the air.
“You’re going to doublespeak,” O’Donnell says. “It’s just a yes or a no.”
“I am not a double speaker, and I don’t put suggestions out there that lead people to think things and then not answer my own question, OK? I don’t believe that you believe troops are terrorists. I have said that before. But when you say something like 650,000 Iraqis are dead, we invaded them … ”
“It’s true!” O’Donnell jumps in.
“Let me finish!” Hasselbeck says.
“You don’t like facts!” O’Donnell says.
Hasselbeck: “I am all about facts. You know that. You tell me not to use facts because you want me to go only on emotion. Guess what? I like facts.”
0 points for Rosie for this exchange. It’s true, she didn’t let Elisabeth explain herself.
3 points for Elisabeth for saying the two sentences that I will remember forever. 1) I am not a doublespeaker. 2) I like facts.
Simply great! - O’Donnell tells Elisabeth: “You are my friend.� Then adds: “Since September.�
2 points to Rosie for the passive aggressive touch.
- Rosie tells Elisabeth she treated her like she was six. Elisabeth says, “You are an adult.� O’Donnell responds, “So are you.� The producers go to rapid fire split screen graphic.
Rosieâ€â€1 point
Elisabethâ€â€0 points
Producersâ€â€5 points; nothing says “fightâ€? quite like the split screen. - “I am certainly not going to be the person for you to explain your thoughts,” Hasselbeck says. “They’re your thoughts. Defend your own insinuations! Defend your own thoughts!”
“Frankly, every time I defend them, it’s poor little Elisabeth that I’m picking on,” O’Donnell responded.
“You know what, Poor Little Elisabeth is not Poor little Elisabeth.�
1 point to Rosie. She has a point after all.
-1 point to Elisabeth. The whole “I’m not poor ‘little Elisabeth’â€? thing would have been more convincing if her voice wasn’t quivering and it didn’t look like she was about to cry. - Rosie says: “That’s why I’m not going to fight with you anymore, because it’s absurd. So for three weeks, you can say all the Republican crap that you want. I’m not going to do it.”
Elisabeth says: “It’s much easier to fight someone like Donald Trump, isn’t it? Because he’s obnoxious.”
-1 point to Rosie. No one believes she’ll actually let Elisabeth say “all the Republican crap� she wants.
2 points to Elisabeth. A bit below the belt, that Donald comment, but hey, it solicited the biggest “oooohsâ€? of the whole fight from the audience. - Elisabeth: “I think it’s sad because I don’t understand how there can be such hurt feelings when all I did was say, ‘Look, why don’t you tell everybody what you said?’ I did that as a friend.”
Rosie: “What you did was not defend me. Every day since September I have told you that I support the troops. I asked you if you believed what the Republican pundits were saying.â€?
Elisabeth: “Did I say yes?�
Rosie: “You said nothing, and that’s cowardly.”
Elisabeth: “No, no, no. Do not call me a coward, because No. 1, I sit here every single day, open my heart and tell people exactly what I believe.”
Rosie: “So do I!”
Elisabeth: “Do not call me a coward, Rosie.”
Rosie: “It was cowardly yesterday.”
Elisabeth: “It was not cowardly, it was honest.”
Okay, here’s the tricky part. No one really said anything here they should be all that proud of. Rosie was baiting Elisabeth so she gets 0 points, but Elisabeth clearly doesn’t know the definition of cowardly, which is troubling. She also tried to put words in Rosie’s mouth. For the record, just spouting your views everyday doesn’t make you “not cowardly.â€? And Rosie was saying it was cowardly for her not to stand up to her Republican friends who attacked Rosie. So here, Elisabeth gets -3 points. - Finally, Behar interrupts and asks: “Is there no commercial in this show? What are we on PBS?”
Thank God for Joyâ€â€10 points!!!!
- Hasselbeck didn’t stop: “I’ll tell you what’s cowardly. Asking a rhetorical question that you never answer yourself. That is cowardly.”
Again, not really the definition of cowardly, Elisabeth. -2 points
Finally, before going to commercial Rosie holds up guest co-host Sherri Shepherd’s new C.D., which will now be seen by millions for months while this clip is viewed again and again on YouTube.
Sherri Shepherd’s disc salesâ€â€500 points!!
(AP Photo/ABC, Yolanda Perez)
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I prefer to score this based not so much on what was said (I watched the entire thing with the mute button on), but rather how the debaters’ looks. And, well, Hasselbeck gets incredibly hot when she’s pissed.
After Joy… Rosie wins. Elisabeth did fine as a talk show host, however she loses as a friend. Everyone could see what Rosie was asking, as a friend Elisabeth behaved as a coward – as a talk show host she may be offered a job on Fox for her betrayal.
Rosie needs to go now,,,,She is a vicious, loud, foul mouthed woman.. and I just wonder how her Kelly puts up with her garbage at home.. and if she is the same pushy broad at home…If she is whew!!!!!!!!!! What fun it must be living with her…...She needs mental health now!!!!!!!!!!! It will be abreath of fresh air when she is gone… Hopefully Roseanne will not be next
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Rosie is an America hater. She is a wind bag, and has no respect for anyone.
I never watched the view before Rosie and I won’t after she leaves!!! She was the only thing that made that show interesting… Elisabeth turns my stomach. She has know idea what she is talking about half the time!!! I can’t believe the ignorance that come from her mouth sometimes.. I don’t know what world she’s living in but it doesn’t seem to be ours!!!
I find it fun that Rosie is visually on the left and Elisabeth is visually on the right, aligning with where they situate themselves in the political spectrum.
Rosie and Elisabeth both have valid points just Elisabeth does not belittle Rosie when rosie does not agree with her.Rosie a troop hater that’s just dumb she loves the troops and feels and speaks strongly which is what our troops protect for us. The problem is people like her and the other limousine liberals bully and degrade those who do not think like them I am not ignorant because I don’t agree with yall. I’ve been a Navy wife for the last 15 years you want to talk about someone misusing the troops lets go back to Clinton and Haiti or hey I was overseas when he dropped that bomb on the pharmaceutical plant in Afghanistan the day he testifed.WE the military paid overseas for that and are paying now for “more for less”remember that all the cut backs in military health care? O and by the way the reason we believed Iraq had WMDs …... was cause he had already used them and killed 50,000 Kurds you know his own people…
listen when it comes to dirty politics and that is . No one wins . The Military are the big guns no matter where they go who ever has the more bullets the more they intrude and go where they want . Just like the Hawaiian Island that land today still is rightfully the Hawaiian according to international Laws but does belong to them oh Heck no! It’s the big boys with the most bullets . I don’t remember who that is .
It’s a shame the valid points Rosie makes get lost in translation because she comes across as a bully. Has anyone asked Star Jones what she thinks about all of it.
listen my brother served in the navy but never went to war . He never had to kill innocent children or their familes. one of my cousins died for this country in nam it was a sad time he was wounded and was about to come home to Hawaii and he decided he want to go back and help the people there well needless to say his name is on the wall in Washington DC. With all the others that gave their lives for what, to come back in pieces in a box to put in the grouond in how proud can a family memeber be to have their loved one come home in a damn box . There is no Glory in it as far as i am concerned. Defend your country when it is really needed . War has and always will be it is man’s nature to take away from someone else . Human being need to change that and i don’t have the answer but there must be a better way then killing . Where is the Glory in that .
listen my brother served in the navy but never went to war . He never had to kill innocent children or their familes. one of my cousins died for this country in nam it was a sad time he was wounded and was about to come home to Hawaii and he decided he want to go back and help the people there well needless to say his name is on the wall in Washington DC. With all the others that gave their lives for what, to come back in pieces in a box to put in the grouond in how proud can a family memeber be to have their loved one come home in a damn box . There is no Glory in it as far as i am concerned. Defend your country when it is really needed . War has and always will be it is man’s nature to take away from someone else . Human being need to change that and i don’t have the answer but there must be a better way then killing . Where is the Glory in that . The sad part is our young men are taught to kill and they come back so different so they show u on the news . Both sides learning skills in elianating the enemy who is really the enemy . WAR Sucks!!!!!!!!
I’ve never been a fan of Rosie or the View but I find myself enjoying the debate on Iraq and the War. As obnoxious as Rosie is, she is far more informed than her co-host Elisabeth Hasselback. Rosie may be a big mouth but at least she can dish it out and take it. Hasselback can’t come up with an original thought unless it is straight from Republican talking points. Rosie’s departure may bring tears of joy to many but in the end you have to give Rosie credit for reviving the ratings on that show. I bet Star Jones is laughing her A** off.
Before The View I did not like Rosie. I always thought her show was silly and for old people…But I love the fire and passion she brings to The View. I can’t stand Elizabeth, not because she is a Republican, that’s okay..I like some Republicans… but it is her unabashed support of our President and this current administration no matter what, that makes me discount her views. No one is perfect and certainly there is enough wrong with the current administration to occasionally make an objection. But anytime anyone does, she squeaks in with her rebuttal.
I think Rosie is an idiot. She opened her mouth and stuck her foot in it. And when Elisabeth wouldn’t help her fix her mistake, she got mad. Thank god for Elisabeth, at least one person on that show is Proud to be an American!
Rosie may be a big mouth but at least she can dish it out and take it. Are you kidding Rosie can Dish it but she really really cant take it without makeing herself out to be a victim .Every fight she starts she whines when someone comes back at her Donald Trump she started it made fun of his comb over and his morals so he comes back with your fat lame true but hey she spit first..What about kelly Ripa she came back at ro and Rosie did not like it at all.her latest comment she put it out there “who are the terrorists” and so starts the whinning and blaming everyone elese .I just talked to guys who came back monday they asked how come the media does show any of the good they are doing? They said they have done alot of great things there and are proud of what they have done why do we not give them that? war sux but freedom to think and disagree and belive comes at a cost and that cost is Human lives .is it to high ?
p.s. Popularity does not make someone right. Ask some Jewish people if Hitler was right He was popular.
First of all, both ladies were totally out of line for making a scene like that. It accomplished absolutely nothing, but made both look like rude, vicious adults with vendettas. REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL STANCE. It was just beyong good taste.
However, I totally stand by Rosies facts and the facts are that Iraq was Invaded by the US, without UN approval, without any pre-emptive strike by Irag, or Saddam.
Iraqw has been devastated by this war, hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT men woman and children, killed, murdered and slain in the crossfire of this un lawfull internation conflict.
Im an appaled, disgusted and disenfranchised by the lack of respect, intellegence and common sence this idiotic government has.
America is no longer a world leadetr, No longer is Americas word taken as gold. America is a laughing stock, a disgrace, a criminal in the eyes of international law…..George bush is a war criminal and this war has accomplished nothing, absolutely nothing. And America will end up having to rebuild the mess it created….and thats just sad.
And here i see people, ignorant idiots, tools who give in to “terrorist” bullshit. You people are paranoid…you need to calm the heel down, have some coffee and stop killing people. Maybe tyhen you wouldnt have to “deal with terrorist”
You americans are digging yourselves into a deeper mess. Its pretty pathetic! You should listen to Rosie, she may be a big mouth, but shes dead right.
Disgusted Canadian.
Dear disgusted Canadian….
Maybe you would like to talk about your own troops in Afghanistan…..all three of them. Have they killed any innocent women or children? Do you have a smug, self righteous reply to that?
And when is anyone going to remember the 3000 people who were killed here on 9/11?
When is anyone going to remember what a tyrant Saddam was in his own country?
How did he kill the Kurds in his own country? With Jello? No with WMD. Did he use it all on them? I don’t think so. Your own officials in Canada reported he still had them.
When is anyone going to remember that he allowed Sarquai, 9/11 mastermind, to hide in his country? What would keep him from hiding the others?
Doesn’t anyone remember that all the countries in the UN who said not the war with IRAQ had their own hands in Saddam’s pockets for oil deals?
Who is doing all the killing of the civilians now in Iraq? It is not Americans you fools, it is terrorists blowing up their own Arab brothers day after day…..
When Saddam he was doing killing civilians quietly with no one daring to say anything…witness the mass graves that have been found with 100,000 people in them.
Americans are not killing the civilians in Iraq…...fellow Arabs are….terrorists…hello?
If you believe Rosie then you must believe her theory of 9/11 that the buildings were blown up by Americans to destroy and office full of Enron papers!
My God…..this is what she believes and that the planes from AlQaida didn’t really happen after all….or if they did it was just one incredible coincidence.
If you believe what Rosie says that you must also believe that load of crap…because it all comes with the same package.You are as stupid and pathetic and deranged as she is.
You Canadians need not to be as smug and hateful either about the US….with your pitiful military the US is the one country to protect you and they are the only country who would help you if this ever happened to you. You guys don’t even help each other. So shut your smug mouths and thank God the US is next door to you and not France or China or Russia.
I am devastated at the thought of Rosie leaving the View I have found she has brought a lot more discussion to the panel since her debut and is very interesting to watch, before Rosie arrived I quite enjoyed Elisabeth’s part in the show but isn’t it surprising how someone can change from mild mannered to ugly when their views are challenged and she can’t bluff anyone all the time, I thought she was terribly wrong in her treatment of Rosie and agree with her that she has showed she is not a friend that wasn’t an arguement yesterday it was Elisabeth getting nasty because she cauldn’t defend herself as the accusations from Rosie were spot on. I doubt I will watch the show once Rosie goes as I saw today Elisabeth is taking a righteous stance and it makes me sick, remember she was in survivor and as you saw yesterday she is not “poor little Elisabeth”
Go Rosie and Joy
I hear that today is the birthday of Rosies “partner”...may I suggest some industrial strength carpet cleaner as a birthday gift? Hey, Disgusted Canadian…have another
beer, eh. OK, seriously (lol)...like her or not, you have to admit it was fun watching Princess Leai take Jabba the Hut to the cleaners, right?
Rosie is so right-
BUSH is a terrorist and a war profiteer(just like Grandpa Prescott Bush)and criminal. Elisabeth is as bright as a 10 watt bulbshe is briefed by View producers and spoon fed that tired line of Republican crap she spews with no real understanding of what she’s saying. Worse, she’s a lousy ‘friend’Rosie has donated huge money(without the need for fanfare or public recognition)to aid wounded soldiers. Just like Nazi Germany, the soldiers are only doing what they are told-the evil is at the top of the chain of command. Isn’t it sad people are SO threatened by a woman with a brain, who isn’t afraid to share her opinion??I would like you all to remember that Iraq was not responsible for 9/11. Al Qaeda is to blame, and they are everywhere! Truth be told, George Bush had his own agenda and planned on an Iraqi invasion before 9/11 even happened. He had to lie and take advantage of a tragedy to get his way. Our president is a disgrace and absolutely unamerican. 80% of America agrees. Rosie and Elisabeth were both quite tacky here, but at least Rosie has some informed opinions! Elisabeth is clearly ignorant. She may hear all the facts, but she only believes the ones she likes and discards the rest. They’re facts Elisabeth! Rosie can leave, but if they bring in another conservative idiot like Elisabeth, I’m so done…as are many watchers of The View I’m sure. THANK GOD FOR JOY BEHAR!!!
the only thing worse than being an idiot is to be an idiot who is misinformed and misguided.and that idiot is elisabeth.she tried hard to sound intelligent but she succeeded only in coming off as a traitor to a friendship that she has owned.rosie tells it like it is.elisabeth appears like mouthing someone else’s ideas.not much of an actress there.at any rate,idiocy is hard to hide…when she is shouting it for the whole world to hear.
Rosie needs to allow others their opinion! That’s what America is all about. Elisabeth is an intelligent adult and can form her own ‘view’ despite what anyone says. Isn’t that the whole purpose of the show?
I believe Rosie attracts negativity because she is so negative. The visiting film maker handled the situation intelligently (without losing her cool) and her knowledge was enough to discount some of Elisabeth’s comments.
I think Rosie thrives on conflict and tension. She needs therapy!!!
“Dear disgusted Canadian….” – BA
OMG LOL! what a dumbass ignorance arrogance typical american. the WORLD does not need the us. please. u r not the worlds police, ok. the world do not need u to protect us. we can handle it. who made u god? why do u always think that god is only americans best friend? that was a whole of bull u wrote there. fact: there are troops from all over the world fighting for THE AMERICANS, believe it or not. by the way, im from the scandinavia.
500 points to Robert Zeliger for his unique way of recapping the story for us. I loved the play by play!
Another 500 points for getting the ball rolling on such a hot topic in our own community. Kudos!
Take 1000 points away from Ted Mann for his “hot” comment about Elisabeth. It’s so typical for him to say that he watches her “on mute.” What a chauvinistic pig! It’s not the first time and I’m sure it’s not the last time he will be making a comment like that. I’m glad his comment didn’t deter your readers from actually debating on something with substance. Who hired this guy?
“The US invaded Iraq”...
I think most people who say this nonsense must be under 10 years old, because they’ve conveniently forgotten that the first Gulf War never ended and by the time we resumed conflict, we were only at a cease-fire stage, the terms of which Iraq violated 17 different times before we had had enough.
Take off your hate America glasses and pay attention to who is causing the chaos over there. You think Al Qaeda is not there at all? Would it not be in Al Qaeda’s interest to make life completely miserable over there? That causes feeble minded people to give up, which is what’s going on right now. How many innocent civilians do you sincerely believe the US has specifically targeted since the war started? You are insane if you answer even 1. How many civilians has Al Qaeda specifically targeted and attacked? That should tell you who the good guys are in this war.
Your turn will come, by the way, for all you people outside the US, your turn will come. Just look at Madrid, London, and Bali. But I guess that’s our fault too. Idiots.
Furthermore to BA: why are the 3000 on 9-11 mentioned but American-caused casualties never considered?? You epitomize what Rosie and others always say: to Americans, “other” lives mean nothing. And we have quite a few more than three soldiers in Afghanistan, fighting a war on behalf of NATO (not Adolf Bush) that we went into because people hated your guts and decided to kill 3000 on 9-11 (Dr Ron Paul knows of what he speaks – 9-11 had nothing to with “freedom” bullsh*t). We actually had four soldiers killed in Afghanistan from “friendly fire” by a cowboy US pilot, who not surpisingly got off scot-free. Hopefully, one of the family members will take him out some time (I know I would).
Tony,don’t go on about UN violations. You can’t cite the UN when the USA ignores the UN and goes into Iraq anyway, and also vetoes EVERY UN resolution against Israel (another reason “Islamists” may have it in for the US).
What I don’t understand is why can’t the US just say that you were wrong about invading Iraq, instead of just trying to justify it every week with a different excuse. Iraq was indeed a rogue state, as is Iran, North Korea and likely Israel (in many eyes). So you went there to “fight them on their turf” – and got it wrong. Just admit it, leave, get the rest of the world involved, pay for the reconstruction and be a TRUE leader. You would re-gain the world’s respect in an instant.
Tony, actually Madrid and London were YOUR fault indirectly because the bombers in both cases cited the respective involvement of Spain and Great Britain in Iraq (YOUR war). Spain pulled out shortly thereafter, and haven’t had any threats since. Great Britain stayed, and it has cost Tony Blair his job due to the OVERWHELMING unpopularity of their involvement in Iraq. And it has given rise to an Islamist movement not previously seen in the UK (I know, I used to live there). People are targeted for the policies of their government – “Islamists” will not be attacking Switzerland, Sweden or Belgium anytime soon.
BA – don’t you think it’s time to stop being so delusional about the U.S. ‘protecting Canada’? Jeezus – you smug, pretentious, arrogant, selfish, naive little prick. Get over yourself – you’re an American and EVERYONE hates you, not just Canadians. And the 2997 casualties (including the 24 missing) on Sept.11/2001? You fucking Americans are more concerned about preserving the Hollywood-like drama surrounding major events than you are about honouring the victims. Wake-the-hell up you freak.
My God there are some ignorant stupid people out there. It seems to me that Tony and I are the only ones with any brains on the board.
By the way, disgusted Canadians…I am a Canadian…..so what you think you know, you don’t really know. You didn’t know that fact anymore than you know any other facts about Iraq and the USA.
In your view Bush is a war criminal and Saddam Hussein who fed people into wood choppers head first is an ok guy.
Rosie is intelligent so I guess her theory that the government really blew up the towers is true…just at the same time that planes flew into them. What perfect timing. You must believe this if you believe what she says …..or do you just believe some of it.
She also said that we shouldn’t fear terrorists because they are mummies and daddies too. A big fat font of IQ this lady is. Well, then explain the two adults who strapped two children to the back seat of a car, got past a check point and then ran from the car and blew it up…with the children inside. Are they loving mummies and daddies? What about the Palestinians who send their children off with back packs filled with dynamite into Israel…..and then blow them up. Not only should we fear the terrorists…their own children should fear them.
But that’s ok….you go ahead and wallow in your ignorance….and tell me why, when Juan hit Nova Scotia there weren’t Canadian troops there helping out and power trucks and linesmen. Were the extra helpers from other parts of Canada….no, they were from Maine and as far south as North Carolina and there were American troops there as well.
America is the first country that would help out Canada if it was attacked….and you nearly had your MP taken and beheaded last fall by terrorists. Whose fault was that going to be? One of these days you will be boohooing in your soup because of an attack and the people who will help will be your neighbors, the Americans. The people who do everything in this world while the rest just sit around and do nothing but bitch.
...hey I bet that America is to blame for the tsunamis as well.
What the US does do is give more in foreign aid to other countries in money and goods than any other country on earth….more than Canada for damn sure. I don’t hear any bravos for that. Put your money where your stupid mouth is and help out the world instead of living in that smug righteous cocoon…...get some half decent health care and half decent military and some ships in your navy for God’s sake. Pitiful that you should even deem to criticize the US in any way.
By the way, while the civilians in Iraq are being blown up so are the American troops….are you forgetting about them or I supposed you think they are blowing themselves up.
One other nitwit on here said to let other countries get involved. Hello? What rock have you been under…..the US waited 9 months of talking in the UN to try and get other countries involved. No one would…..especially those like France and China and Russia who were found later to have oil deals going with Iraq.
Read the facts and find this out for yourself before you dare to come on here and spout more hateful ignorance.
John…..take a valium and go lie down.
Stop reading your phony left wing liberal press and listening to the CBC….my God…..and read some material that will keep you informed.
Also you might want to invest in anger management classes and a thesaurus.(that’s a book with better words than the ones you use)
...and have a good day, eh?
Mikael – I forgot about you there in Scandinavia…way up there in the cold with socialized medicine just like Canada.
Hmmm….and the same mindset.
I didn’t know Scandinavia was helping out in Iraq. Is it?
No, I don’t think so. Did it help out in WW11? No, in fact it helped the Nazis right?
Now what was that you were saying again about you don’t need the Americans to help you out?
Are you speaking German?
My 2 cents.
and the Van filled with Gold in the bottom of the world trade center, the insurance that was taken out weeks before… if the “company” was looking for a reason to impliment war, invade a country for control over the pipeline and then invade another country for control over the oil… I would think that was a good recipie for doing so by making the Americans feel unsafe and big ol government would come in and save the people and the day…
Rosie is the only reason other than Joy, that I and my wife watch the View. I’ve increasingly began to have disdain for Elizabeth and her brainwashed point of view on the war and the president. How can one person be so completely lost. – Rosie is brash yes, but she is pasionate about what she feels and believes and for that, Kudos to her as her “View” is fueled by the sencless deaths that American, British and Candian troups are being succumbed to. Not to mention all the innocent people that have died in Iraq.
REALITY CHECK
1) Saddam never attacked America
2) Did not have weapons of mass distruction
3) Rumsfeld, Bush and his cohorts are responsible for more deaths than Saddam ever was and yet they hung Saddam..
4) Iraq was doing just fine under Saddams rule, not that I support him or claim to know how he ruled his country but he managed to do well at more so than the chaos that has insued since the Americans invaded it..
5) Um, remember the real bad guy you guys were chassing… hiding in Afghanastan… Osama.. whats the status on catching him??
6) Can help but think there is a lot of funny business with the world trade center and the Pentagon, I do not believe for one second that any civilan airplane resulted in the Pentagon nor do I believe a commercial airline struck the twin towers.
7) and the building 7 that collapsed um, k…
9) I do not trust Bush or the “company”... I tend to think a lot of people got rich off this war and changed policies to make things happen that would not have otherwised happened…
10) Rosie is aware as many others are that something is not right about any of this.. but Elizabeth is.. go back to bed Elizabeth… will you let your children fight in the next war? Doubtfull you flag waving nutbar..
So much for freedom of speech.
Go Rosie, say what you are thinking, they say Terrorist attacked America, the “Company” invading (not the troups, they are innocent pawns) Iraq and how many innocent people they have killed supports their impression of the American invasion as an act of terrorisim, at the end of the day we pointed fingers at Osama (who is tied to the bush family..) as the terrorist, easy to play a game of misdirect when the reality is, the real terrorist is Bush and the family clan dating back to Grandpa bush and his ties with the CIA / and the Natzi party.
I still feel that the real president is and should have been, Al Gore. This is a man of the people, I would place a wadger on this but I feel none of 9/11 would have happened if Gore was in the whitehouse.
Funny how all the crap happens with the Bush family who were also tied to Nixon..
Anyhow, I love the American people, I love innocent people, I dipise those who kill in the name of profit and fear.
I apologise if I offend anyone and all I wish is that you all seek more truth then deception.
I am not Christian, more of a non practacing Catholic, but I am human and I feel you all deserve a better deal than this.
Cheers
Well, I am surprised that you actually were able to detect anger in my post – good for you. I AM angry because I hear the same rhetoric over and over again from Americans who think they have their shit together. There seems to be this mutual disdain between the Canadians and Americans but it only stems from a common ignorance – misunderstanding about the vast differences in political systems, economic barriers and global acceptance. However, time and time again it is clear that Canadians do indeed have a lot more insight about their neighbours to the South than vice-versa. This is frustrating because not only has the average Canadian taken interest in your country purely for personal knowledge (it’s called ‘learning’ although that can be argued it is purely out of geographical convenience) but our country has become a huge component of the United States’ economy especially during a time where there is more financial constraints than ever before and a de-valued American dollar (finally). The truth is that the United States is beginning to need Canada more than Canada needs the United States. Look at the our oil and gas reserves; our technologies sector; our educational and health professionals, and so on. While I disagree with our government’s practice of blatantly exploiting our resources to so many other countries as well, it does benefit our global economic strength – at least it can be said we don’t rape and plunder other sovereign nations for their oil. So you fuck you George B-b-b-uuuush, you hick.
Furthermore, I don’t claim to be informed in the first place – the American pretend-to-be-egalitarian, Declaration of Independence-clutching, melodramatic-patriotism (which is getting a little old) is so fucking transparent and it makes me sick. You’re one giant movie-of-the-week down there.
Check your grammar asshat.
BA – and FURTHERMORE, you should be aware that arguing online is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you ‘win’, you’re still a retard.
I don’t agree with a lot of things Rosie says but I really don’t think Rosie hates the troops. She has always said she supports the troops and just does not support this President putting us in a war. Yes, Rosie can say the wrong things but I agree with the person that said Elisabeth is generally clueless most of the time. She has this perfect life and seems to sit in her ivory tower and is so naive about the war sometimes. She actually said on The View once that the soldiers all wanted to be in Iraq because they had enlisted. Do you really think every listed person really thought they would go to war when they enlisted. Many that enlisted before the war in Iraq probably never thought they would really go to war. To say all the soldiers want to be there or they would not have enlisted in silly and naive.
Thank you, John!! And BA, you may claim to be a Canadian, but your use of the “liberal” like sort of profanity, and the “socialist” shot at Scandanavia exposes you more as some sort of red-state inbred.
Most right-wing Americans are so brainwashed these days, that they actually relish the idea of being hated by everyone. And that brings us back to Elisabeth. And people like BA. The only tonic for them wil be losing their beloved White House to the Democrats, especially if it’s Hilary Clinton (a “bitch” to them) or Barack Obama (still a “negro” to the racist conservatives). And of course, a long, long, long stay in Iraq with lots and lots of casualties. People like us on here, or Rosie and Joy on The View, are wasting our collective breaths trying to REASON with the neo-conservatives in the USA.
John…you wrote
“BA – .... you should be aware that arguing online is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you ‘win’, you’re still a retard”
This is pretty funny coming from someone who originally wrote
“BA – don’t you think it’s time to stop being so delusional about the U.S. ‘protecting Canada’? Jeezus – you smug, pretentious, arrogant, selfish, naive little prick. Get over yourself – you’re an American and EVERYONE hates you, not just Canadians. And the 2997 casualties (including the 24 missing) on Sept.11/2001? You fucking Americans are more concerned about preserving the Hollywood-like drama surrounding major events than you are about honouring the victims. Wake-the-hell up you freak.”
I guess I won!
I will not watch “The View” after Rosies’ departure. I love Joy, and quite frankly there have been days where I have simply changed the channel because I cannot listen to Elizabeth’s non-factual banter. She talks over EVERYONE including guests with her pointy finger, and truly needs to go away. How much fun can she be to live with? Poor Joy fidgits with her pen and her hair, does not look in the direction of Elizabeth, and all over her face you can read “Please God, make her BE QUIET!
Stephen I was going to reply to you after I stopped laughing at your unreal reality check, but your ideas are so off the wall that not even I can fix them.
Here are just a few….
...no civilian planes flew into the Twin Towers
....Iraq was doing great under Saddam
......Bush’s family is tied to Hitler, Osama and Nixon. Better check your family tree. He might be tied to you too!
...this would not have happened if Gore was president in the “whitehouse”
......you are not a Christian but you are a non practicing Catholic.
I mean, this is too much for even me to tackle. I don’t want to tax your brain with any facts because frankly I don’t think it could take the shock of a lucid thought coming through. I also feel it is all a direct correlation to your horrid spelling.
So go get a dictionary and come back on here when you can at least spell you inane thoughts.
BA:
“I mean, this is too much for even me to tackle. I don’t want to tax your brain with any facts because frankly I don’t think it could take the shock of a lucid thought coming through. I also feel it is all a direct correlation to your horrid spelling.
So go get a dictionary and come back on here when you can at least spell you inane thoughts.”
”.....YOU inane thoughts”??????
...I think you should just stop typing now.
Oh dear disgusted Canuck 11
I don’t claim to be a Canadian…I am one…born and bred. And thank you for the compliment on being conservative. If that means having the brains to recognize that Saddam was a threat and that he did have WMD and that the US can’t leave Iraq now or there would be even more bloodshed than there is now and it would be innocent people once again.
You see I can express myself without name calling or using the “f ” word and that already puts me light years ahead of the loud mouth bullying people, reminiscent of Rosie and her cohorts on here.
You don’t need to browbeat people into thinking like you if you are thinking rationally. If you are not thinking rationally, no one agrees, so you speak louder and type profanities and so on.
I would not want another Clinton in the White House because the last one is the reason there was a 9/11 in the first place. There had been 5 attacks by terrorists on American interests abroad and at home, which was the bottom of the Trade Center. Horny Bill did nothing about any of them and the one time he had an opportunity to take out Osama, the decision to drop a bomb on where he was had to wait until Bill was through playing golf. Fact, whether you like it or not…a fact.
God knows what horny Bill would be doing loose in the White House if his wife was president. However, another fact is that his 8 years were the most corrupt in the history of American presidents. Fact.
Now, I don’t know why you have the word Negro in quotes when you refer to Obama. Do you have an issue? By the way, you had it with a small “n” and that is an insult to him and all Black people.
Being conservative does not mean one is member of the KKK. In fact, I would look at Bush’s cabinet and see how many Black people he has on there and then I would marvel at Condoleeza Rice who would be my choice for a female president over Hilarious, any time. I like Obama actually and think he would be a refreshing change in ways that are not anti-Bush.
What did Horny Bill do for the Black people in his government. Nothing. He had a Black secretary…and that was it…and she had to testify and lie on his behalf with regard to the comings and goings of his latest piece of fluff.
I am not using the word Liberal as if it was profanity. Ironically the only profanity directed against me so far has been by liberal minded folk and their liberal use of the “f” word.
Hilary is not a bitch to the conservatives…she is a bitch of her own making. Any other woman would have left a man like him long ago but she hitched her star to him with political ambitions long ago…and no matter what he did outside the marriage to embarrass her….even sticking cigars up the vagina of an intern in the Oval Office bathroom…..she kept with him to get what she wanted. And that makes her a political prostitute.
I fancy if a Canadian PM behaved that way he would be out on his head. But horny Bill is a hero and immoralized as the greatest president ever. Right now the US has the lowest unemployment in history and the stock market is through the roof. No kudos for Bush…..no way….no one cares about anything but the war. Bush can’t do anything right.
Well if Gore or Clinton were president when 9/11 had happened we would have had about ten more attacks and then some because they would do nothing…just like they want nothing done now.
You can reason with conservatives… but the problem is that your thinking is not reasonable. It is uneducated, foul mouthed statements which are nothing but a lot of noise and bullying…just like Rosie.
Sorry but that’s a fact.
Disgusted Canuck II May 25th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Thank you, John!! And BA, you may claim to be a Canadian, but your use of the “liberal� like sort of profanity, and the “socialist� shot at Scandanavia exposes you more as some sort of red-state inbred.
Most right-wing Americans are so brainwashed these days, that they actually relish the idea of being hated by everyone. And that brings us back to Elisabeth. And people like BA. The only tonic for them wil be losing their beloved White House to the Democrats, especially if it’s Hilary Clinton (a “bitch� to them) or Barack Obama (still a “negro� to the racist conservatives). And of course, a long, long, long stay in Iraq with lots and lots of casualties. People like us on here, or Rosie and Joy on The View, are wasting our collective breaths trying to REASON with the neo-conservatives in the USA.
Ok, well it’s OVER!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275552,00.html
John….
You have written this….
“Jeezus – you smug, pretentious, arrogant, selfish, naive little prick.
You fucking Americans
...Wake-the-hell up you freak
....asshat.”
....and you think I need to stop typing on here?
Typically loud and obnoxious…just like Rosie.
BA, I guess there’s two forms of brow beating: using profanities like us, or bombing countries to sh*t like your ilk.
Being Canadian, I’m not partisan in American politics. The fact is, as correctly pointed out by Ron Paul in the Republican debate, it was the US policy of the 1990’s (economic sanctions leading to the deaths of about 500,000 Iraqis) that Osama bin Laden has cited as the reason behind 9-11. And during that time, the President was …. Bill Clinton. You see, when Canadians show disdain to Americans, it not about Democrat or Republican (the only way Amreicans know how to argue). It’s about the general stupidity and arrogance of US Foreign Policy that invites the deserved “terrorism” that they get, be it on US soil or elsewhere. If you’re going to go around and poke your nose everywhere and supply Israel with cluster bombs to drop on civilians (oh yeah, I forgot, there were a couple of Hezbollah missile sites within those teeming civilian populations – better to kill everyone then), then you better be ready to shed some blood too.
As long as PM Harper doesn’t get too carried away in trying to be Bush Lite, I think we’re safe and sound up here. And you can take that to the bank.
Good she is gone…..just like most bullies, they flee when they have met their match. Not that Elizabeth is her match but she finally stood up to her…and so she is leaving. Poor Rosie! Boo hoo.
There was a woman on there one day who was a Republican speech writer who would have made mince meat of Rosie had the opportunity presented itself. But Rosie was meek as a lamb and said NOTHING because she knew she couldn’t beat this one up.
All they needed was to also get an audience of conservatives in that studio who would have booed her instead of cheer and she would have left sooner. She was preaching to the choir everyday and so it was easy to keep on flapping that big ol’ mouth.
Now please God for Joy to leave also.
Man this is great…...Imus is gone, now Rosie…..and thank God we have Fox News to tell the truth! Soon it will be a conservative’s paradise on the TV….for a change and now you will hear the truth.
Are you happy John? I sure hope so.
Her leaving is the best thing. Ergo:
– she doesn’t have to listen to Elisabeth’s crap anymore. – she doesn’t have to listen to Barbara’s middle-of-the-road approach to appease the advertisers, most of who are (rightfully) afraid of insulting the shit-for-brains red staters who think “Eye-Rack” attacked the US on 9-11 – prevents Elisabeth from going into premature labour as she twitches away whenever someone points out ANOTHER one of Bush’s shortcomings
BA, it already is a conservative paradise on US TV. The media has been scared to expose Bush and his cronies for a number of years for fears of being branded “anti-American” and losing those important advertiser dollars. The only thing that will open American eyes to the attrocities committed in their name, are (hopefully) some well-placed assassinations or (hopefully not) another attack on US soil.
Disgusted Canuck 11
So I guess when your men were in Afghanistan….I guess there were 5 of them because you said 4 were hurt….they didn’t shoot anyone? They just went over to do nothing? That might explain why the Taliban is getting back in again and the Americans had to go back to secure things up some more.
Americans don’t bomb the shit out of people actually…there are smart bombs and precise bombs but as I said when the enemy puts rocket launchers in civilian areas things happen. However, less people have died from the actual war which lasted a week, then died thanks to the insurgents. If you would clear all the profane words out of your brain, then you might have room for some clear thinking and facts.
I am sorry that you feel that what happened in 9/11 was deserved. No one deserved that….no one deserved what happened to the US Cole or the two embassies. No one anywhere in the world deserves what happens where violence is concerned. But there were five attacks and nothing was done….9/11 could not be ignored….and Iraq could not be ignored. The US could simply not take the chance of allowing to happen again.
Canada would not understand that…..and you aren’t in danger because you are a non-entity….not interesting enough to hit….you have no say on the world stage nor any place in it. You also have no military to speak of…an unstable government, poor economy….$5 a gallon and there is oil in Alberta…..lousy medical system…taxed up the ying yang….French/English hatred that is worse that any Republican/Democratic divide, taxes up the ying yang, poor salaries and ridiculously high cost of living. You can’t afford to stick your nose into anything.
You see, when Canadians show disdain to Americans, it not about Democrat or Republican (the only way Amreicans know how to argue). It’s about the general stupidity and arrogance of US Foreign Policy that invites the deserved “terrorism� that they get, be it on US soil or elsewhere. If you’re going to go around and poke your nose everywhere and supply Israel with cluster bombs to drop on civilians (oh yeah, I forgot, there were a couple of Hezbollah missile sites within those teeming civilian populations – better to kill everyone then), then you better be ready to shed some blood too.
Nobody, Americans or Canadians or anyone deserves what happened on 9/11 and you are a very sad person for saying what you did.
Geez, lighten up people! I think the only 5 people in the world who take “The View” seriously are bloggers here. The rest of us only watch the show because we enjoy watching the fat chick make an azz out of herself and we enjoy how the idiotic redheaded chick makes the rest of us feel intelligent by comparison and we enjoy watching the blonde chick…well…we just enjoy watching the blonde chick
Now that the fat chick is leaving, we can all go back to watching Springer again because really the only difference between the fat chick and Springer is that Springer KNOWS he’s a joke! Oh, by the way…NO ONE gives a ratz backside about ANY of your self-righteous rants…we’re all quite capable of having our own opinions, thank you!
Canuck !!
” The only thing that will open American eyes to the attrocities committed in their name, are (hopefully) some well-placed assassinations or (hopefully not) another attack on US soil.”
For a lily livered foul mouthed Canadian you are one sick puppy.
Let’s hope nothing happens to your country either but one of these days something is going to blow your smug heads out of your butts and there will be nothing to defend you but three aging frigates in Halifax harbor, some rusty planes in a field in Ottawa, is there still an Air Farce? and God knows your five soldiers will still be having tea in Afghanistan with the Taliban.
I do not care for Rosie’s manner. She is harsh and disrespectful. I am not familiar with Elizabeth as she hasn’t gotten a lot of air time – that is off the show, as I am not one to watch the View.
Side note – I would like to say I am very much disgusted with most comments made here and elsewhere. I am a wife of an active duty military member and the family member of workers for non-profit organizations (outside the US) who offer aid in countries like Iraq and Afganistan. Before anyone says otherwise, yes I have relatives in both countries now but my husband is not. They have been there for a few years- as in they were there providing aid before the war. I lost family memebers in Iraq, they were not military, they were there to help provide guidence on proper water treatment, and because they were not accepted by Sadaam’s regeime they were slaughtered. But my faimly went back to help because they have see. Again my family was there BEFORE the US Military. Forget country, forget religion, as a human being if you could see the slaughter and distruction the atrocities that were happening (again before US military entrance), I doubt you would be so judgement of the American military presence now. I believe that your opinions would not be so high handed. If you still feel that way once you have been there, been involved, seen for yourself (not pictures on the TV or in magazines) then by all means screem it from the highest mountain top that America is horrible and destroying the country, killing civilians. But until you get up and take physical action you have no right- I for one believe that your opinions would change if you were there for any length of time. Contrary to what is presented in the news and on the web there is a lot of good going on right now. It is not just civilians non-profit organizations that are doing good. The US military presence is providing assistance and help. The US Army Corps of Engineers is over there helping to rebuild the infostructure of the country. To a much higher standard than was there before. The military is providing much needed medicine and health care. Yes people are being injuried however there is a lot of good going on as well and I think that the world at large is not willing to recognize that. Again these issues (killing, destruction, slaughter, poor health care) were happening BEFORE the war began. How do I know, I just have to ask my family and look at their lifes work.
For all Americans who do not like this war that is your constintutional right. However if you are sitting at home playing arm-chair politician/ military leader/ President, get up off your butt and work for the change(s) you want! Don’t complain, don’t ‘protest’, don’t just vote (for voting will only get you so far) get up and work to make a difference. Get involved, learn the political process. Become an active participant in your country’s politics and national/ international policies. Don’t talk! DO! I am always amazed at how people think it is so easy for the “President” to lead our country into anything. Contrary to what most Americans think President Bush could not have blindly lead our military into battle. It doesn’t work that way. (Don’t believe me, look up American polictical procedures. Our Congress has ways of ‘keeping our President in check’ if they choose to do so. It is the brillance of our founding Fathers forethought- ‘checks and balances’ – you know the Presidential, Congressional and Judicial branches of our government) etc, etc, etc.
For those of you who might ask, have I been there, no I have not. I have relied on my families insight. I do work for a non-profit agency, however I choose to serve those who serve here at home.
OK I’ll step down from the soapbox.
I would just like to point out that our military went into Afghanistan to clean up the mess that Bush left when he moved on to Iraq. Canadian soldiers are primarily trained as PEACEKEEPERS…a word that “Adolf Bush”-loving Americans find hard to comprehend. We do not sink trillions of dollars into our military because we simply do not feel the need to go to war with countries we just don’t like….ilegally! At least we can say that we could go to just about any country and they welcome us with open arms…with any existing dislike for us due to our connection with Americans.
Oh…and about our free health care…it must be doing some good seems you Americans slip across our border to reep its benefits!
Thank God I live in a country that isn’t afraid to speak the truth and present the facts of this war. Our government actually cares about our soldiers…they attend our fallen soldiers homecoming and/or funerals…more than you can say about your president.
Finally the voice of reason….I am not one voice crying in the wilderness. Thank you Jane.
Everyone read what Jane has to say….all of you who know nothing about what you speak…she does…she has had first hand experience and her family has. That is what I have been saying or trying to amongst the attacks and the bad language from people who did like to hear it. Well here is someone who is living the experience…has seen what is was like under Saddam. Read her intelligent comments…..there is not a foul word or accusatory nonsense…facts and sense…..a lady.
Other than Another Disgusted Canadian, I see you have all had enough sense to shut up and take heed.
BA
BA – I believe it is extremely disrespectful that you are telling others who are voicing their opinion on this blog to “shut up and take heed”. I am a Canadian and while I do not agree with other comments on here suggesting that hopefully there will be another attack on Americans that will “teach them a lesson”, I patently disagree with almost everything you’ve said. I am not, however, going to insult your intelligence through name-calling. It is a fact that Canadian troops were sent into Afghanistan, mainly as peacekeepers. According to a recent McLean’s article, there is a contingent of about 1900 Canadian personnel taking part in this peacekeeping mission, not “5” as you stated. And 55 have been killed, not 4. Canadian’s supported the U.S. in the war in Afghanistan because the U.S. was attacked by Al-Qaeda. Iraq did not attack the U.S., therefore, Canada did not support the U.S. in their war on Iraq. As for your comments on our free health care, I can not understand why as a Canadian citizen you would want it any other way. Yes our taxes are high, but look at all we get for paying them. I personally would rather continue to pay these taxes and receive all the benefits that we as Canadians receive then pay fewer taxes.
Also, saying that Canadians shouldn’t watch CBC as it spouts only liberal propaganda and then saying in a later post how everyone should watch Fox News as it speaks the whole truth is ludicrous. Fox News is incredibly right-wing and to say that it speaks the truth while left-leaning news shows just spout propaganda is ridiculous.
As for the original reason for these blog postings, I do not agree with Elizabeth Hasslebeck at all. I believe that she is misinformed and is completely blind in her faith in the Bush administration. That being said, I believe Rosie went a bit far and that such a personal argument should have been dealt with in private, not on national tv. I completely disagree with those that believe that Rosie does not support the troops. She was simply stating that to the people living in Iraq who are losing their loved ones, innocent civilians, daily, it is the Americans who look like the terrorists. I am not saying Americans are terrorists so please don’t twist my words. And no one is saying the troops are. They are required to do what they are told by their administration and can not be blamed in the least for the actions of their president.
No, BA, I’m just waitng for a smart terrorist to blow your arrogant ass to kingdom come. And with the war crimes your President is leading, it’ll happen soon enough!!
And, Jane, just shut up!! We don’t care about your family and stop defending the occupying forces in Iraq. Your friggin’ army shouldn’t be there; now again, just shut up about your stupid family. Nobody cares.
And to be on topic, why can’t we send Elisabeth to Iraq (when she reaches her third trimester) and that useless husband of hers – he’s now third-string on the NY Giants death chat!!
BA, explain why Yankee backpackers in Europe have to wear Canadian flags on their backpacks – because EVERYONE fuckin’ hates the Americans!!! And this was long before the WAR ON IRAQ!!!
That should be “depth chart”, death chat is what Elisabeth and Rosie had.
Canadian Girl, thanks for displaying the good manners we fellow Canucks should have shown. But right-wing yankee fascists like BA are really what makes one understand the global hatred townard the US mindset – notice I didn’t say American people. Though they’re not the brightest and most informed on ANYTHING global, they are extremely nice people!!
I agree.
When the Iraq war first started, I was extremely upset about all the killing going on. Both Americans and Iraqis – civilians and soldiers. It all seemed so senseless.
After a George Bush got re-elected (I didn’t vote for him BTW), I kind of felt like, “well, we’re getting more of what we asked for”. Eventually, my bitterness and anger about this war has diminished. I’m still totally against it, but now I feel helpless.
As long as George Bush is President, people will still continue to die and the cycle of violence and senseless killing will continue. You’ll continue have your mindless drones like Hasselback repeating nonsense like “fighting them over there before they come here”, and other crazy talk.
Anyone with half a brain knows that 9/11 was organized, financed and carried out by a very small group of terrorists, mostly Saudis, backed by Osama Bin Laden. Some of those people have been rightly hunted down and brought to justice. But brining the rest to justice doesn’t seem to be a priority anyomre. Somewhere along the line, Iraq and Sadam became the priority. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and Iraq didn’t have any WMD.
But I guess that doesn’t matter in the end. Bush got the war in Iraq that he’s always wanted, some multinational corporations have been making lots of money, and the military-industrial complex is loving all of it. Luckily for them, the Bush administration was able to convince enough gullible citizens that this war was necessary back in 2003. Some idiots like Hasselback (and Dennis Miller comes to mind too) are either too stubborn to admit they were wrong, or are so incredibly stupid, that they still believe the four your old B.S. that Bush was using back in 2003 as a justification for war.
Nothing positive has come out of this war, nothing positive will ever come out of this war. Most Europeans were against this war from the beginning. There’s still a generation of Europeans living with vivid and haunting memories of World War II. They know all about the horrors of war.
War should always be a very last resort. Imagine if the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on the Iraq war had been invisted in healthcare, infrastructure and education programs in Iraq and other poor Islamic countries. That would have been a much better way to combat terrorism and far fewer people would have died, far fewer people would hate us and far fewer people would be lining up to be suicide bombers.
To put things in perspective, 42,000 Americans die each year in motor vehicle accidents. So since 9/11, about 230,000 have been killed in car accidents. Why not start a “war on motor vehcile safety”? More lives could be saved.
I watched the whole feud between the two from day one. I don’t agree with the War and don’t really see how it is benefiting this country especially when we have people here that need to be served but there is a time and place for everything.Some of the things Rosie O’Donnell said I actually agreed with but I felt that she was extremely self-righteous in her attempts to get her point across. In my opinion, she was a true coward, she wouldn’t have pulled that shit on her own show but she was more than willing to act an ass on The View because she felt that she could. She also thought Elizabeth was an easy target. She picked on Elizabeth like it was her religion.I am glad that Elizabeth finally got in Rosie’s Fat Ass. I just wish she would have stuck her foot further up there so Rosie could really run screaming off of TV. I had enough of Rosie and I am happy she is gone off of the air her time was damn near up anyway.
When you have a debate facts must be presented. Rosie only went by what she heard on the news. The media isn’t always correct. There’s more to Abu Graib than pictures of enlisted people smiling while “torturing” the inmates. Elizabeth is a diehard Republican and just like her fellow mates, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, Republicans can do no wrong. However, she does listen to what the debater has to say, even if she doesn’t agree.
Rosie acts like a petulant child. She probably did trash her dressing room and her writer defaced Liz’s pictures at ABC after the argument. Is that maturity? After Rosie felt humiliated, she probably called up ABC and told them she wasn’t coming back. Now doesn’t that look good for future employment? Rosie always said how rich she is but that can be gone in the blink of an eye.
In fact, I would look at Bush’s cabinet and see how many Black people he has on there and then I would marvel at Condoleeza Rice who would be my choice for a female president over Hilarious, any time. I like Obama actually and think he would be a refreshing change in ways that are not anti-Bush.
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Gosh, why do white people say stuff like this?
Have you talked to any black people lately? Today, Yesterday, Last Week, Last Month?
Condoleeza for President? Why don’t we just let Cheney and Rove run the country alone as co-dictators.
OK. I’ve watched the fued. I’ve actually enjoyed Rosie’s time on the View (didn’t watch it before that). I think she’s a great comedian. I think she’s sensitive and truly wants to make a difference in the world. I respect that in her, and others like her.
But, (and isn’t there always a but) here’s where I take a different road from Rosie.
1. 650,000 people killed in Iraq.
a. The majority of civilians being killed are being killed by terrorists.
b. Yes, we have killed civilians. Mainly because the guys shooting at us, launching missles and throwing grenade are doing so from schools, hospitals, bunkers and civilian houses. They purposefully hide behind the skirts of women and the toys of children in order to 1) discourage us from counter attacking and 2) build PR to what “terrorists” we are.
c. This could have all been avoided by a man named Saddam who publically stated that he had WMDs, who used WMDs on his own citizens and who the majority of BOTH parties in the US thought that he had WMDs.
2. Who are the real terrorists?
a) Real terroists strap bombs to children, drive them to a check point and then abandon the car to blow them up.
b) Real terrorists strap bombs to their chest and walk into wedding reception and blow themselves up.
c) Real terrorists want to cause as much destruction as possible, get as much news coverage as possible, kill as many people as possible in order to achieve their aim. They truly consider civilians not as a casualty of war, but as a means of achieving victory in the war.
d) America has done some disgusting things. Germany has done some disgusting things. France makes me wince. And Switzerland has traded in the blood of jews for profit. Canada? Ok, they’re irrelevant (I just put that in to get me some feedback. It’s just a joke people!). The point is that every government has done something unspeakable. Read your history, from whatever country you’re from, there is shame there. And fear. Every country has something to bow their head over. Is this war it? I personally don’t think so.
3. There were no WMDs in IRAQ.
a) Duh? Yeah, so we found out.
b) Saddam said he had them.
c) He used them before, on his own people. 100,000s of lives lost.
d) We went to the UN, they sent inspectors, Saddam refused their access.
e) The UN set some strict rules that Iraq needed to follow in order to show good faith after the first Gulf War. Iraq ignored them. Flagerently disregarded them.
f) Both parties of the US goverment agreed, war was justifiable. England agreed. Australia agreed. Spain agreed. We went to war.
Long story short, (I know too late), here’s the gist of it: Radical Islam is the biggest threat to world peace we’ve seen. There is no negotiating. There is no compromise. They decapitate people in the name of their God. They tie men to the back of jeeps and drag their bodies through the streets in the name of Allah. They willingly sacrafice their own children in the name of their political agenda. They fly planes full of innocent passengers into buildings filled with innocent workers. They have no shame. No glory. Only hate.
They are the enemy. Not Islam. Not Muslims. Not Iraq. But, men who would sacrafice a child for personal gain, no matter their station in life, no matter the poverty they’ve suffered or the injustices they’ve endured. They who would willing strap a bomb to a child’s chest, set the timer and then flee from the car. They are our enemies. They want to destory us. We can’t let them win. So much will be lost if we let them win.
Disgusted Canadian II your personal attack on me is uncalled for. I did not single you out nor did I attack anyone’s beliefs and opinions on this site. I was trying to express that the American military is not seen by all in Iraq as ‘occupying forces’. The American government has made numerous comments that if the Iraqi government would like for the American forces to leave, they will. The Iraqi government has not asked this.
Another point I think has been overlooked is that the US is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If they were to leave right this minute there will be those in the global arena who will argue just as passionately as you that they should have stayed.
As pointed out by Canadian girl, Canadian forces are peace-keepers and your country men’s efforts in Afghanistan and elsewhere, have not gone unnoticed or unrecognized. Believe it or not, American forces are peace keepers too. They have been for years. So much of the world, in times of need, turn to the United States first for help. The US in turn has done its best to be that help. Yet the world has not always returned the favor.
The comment that the US and our President does not care for our fallen is extremely inaccurate. That too is something I have first hand knowledge.
This forum is for all who choose to share their opinions of what happened between Rosie and Elizabeth and the subject area which we all have been moved to debate.
Last, as an American who has traveled extensively world wide over the last 18 years I find your comments about Yanks ‘wearing the Canadian flag on backpacks’ inaccurate. Yes I am sure there are some who have (do). However I have never shielded away from my nationality; nor have I been ill-received, in Canada or countries who’s politics are in opposition with the US. I have not traveled alone, so the argument that one American is tolerable but many are not will not ‘fly’ with me as I know from first hand experience that it not always the case.
As a personal commentary, your hostility, confrontational manner and use of absolutes does not serve your creditability and cause well. It is a bit off putting.
Another Disgruntled Canadian your comment seems to imply that the United States has pulled out its military from Afghanistan. That is inaccurate. The US military is still there, as peace keepers, too.
As an army wife, I have listened and participated in great debates regarding the war in Iraq, this was not of them. It caused me distress to listen to Elisabeth’s deafening inexperience, unorganized thoughts and a general lack of tolerance for non-republican views. Rosie asked a rhetorical question regarding who are the terrorists. If Elisabeth would set her wholesome veneer aside then she would have understood Rosie’s question for what it was …to encourage analytical thinking and judgment expansion. Read the transcripts, Rosie never called the troops terrorists. Simply, Elisabeth’s views have never been show worthy.
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I think we need to call Disgusted Canadian 11….disgusting Canadian 11. It is bad enough the crap and invective you have been spewing on here all day and most of the night, but when you attack Jane who has made sense and who has had the experience I have trying to get across to you, then you just prove the point that you are nothing but a hateful woefully ignorant person whose mind is made with trash and you do not want to face facts.
Canadian Girl you almost had me until you agreed with Disgusting Canadian 11. He is the most vile of all the bloggers on here today and frankly I no longer give a hoot what his opinion is. All he wants to do is hate. He who probably drives an American car, eats American food, watches American TV and movies, wears American clothes and shoes, chews AMerican gum, wears AMerican shoes, has AMerican appliances, whose home is made mostly from American products….he hates AMericans. You are what you eat….and poop…...soin a way you hate yourself. I rather think that you probably do hate yourself because no one this hateful and with such a closed mind could have any love for anyone, including himself. You really are one pathetic pile of Canuck.
I have been writing of my feelings, Jane is writing of her experience which I dare say is much more knowledge of this situation than I do and most definitely you do. Yet, you do not want knowledge and facts. Your mind is so clouded with hatred that you can’t accept anything that anyone has to say.
I pity you and anyone like you. You are not worth fighting for, but you are being fought for. Your mouth and the freedom to write this invective is what your soldiers and our soldiers are all about. You have the freedom to write the trash you do because we live in the countries we live in. In Iraq in the days of Saddam you would be picked up and beheaded after the first foul mouth message that you put on here.
SO the hatred makes you sound more like a three year old than anything else…..na, na…..everyone hates you ….na, na…...and as Canadian, I apologize to all the Americans out there and to you Jane for his behavoir. I know he doesn’t have the balls to do that for himself but I will do it for him. Your point was well made as was Giga’s and I think we should all ignore Disgusting Canadian 11 from now on.
Let’s let him go back to his corner with his crayons where he does nothing to help the world other than bitch and moan about the people who really are making a difference. I am sure he is one SOB who does no volunteer work in his community or will not help his fellow neighbors and has nothing better to do than shout and write hate and invective all day long. I am sure he finds wrong with everything in the world and has a life which is a total mess…...and that somehow too is someone else’s fault…probably an Americans.
You can’t change the mind of someone like that…their mind is made up and is not interested in facts.
You are pitiful disgusting Canadian 11 and actually make me ashamed.
With regard to wearing Canadian flags on backpacks…..disgusting Canadian 11…..what an idiotic remark to make and once again indicative of your childlike old mentality…...but a child that tortures small animals probably. That’s not why people wear them, so people won’t think they are Americans….God you are so hateful and pathetic.
That’s maybe why YOU wear them. However with your attitude and mouth which must travel with you everywhere, you could wear ten Canadian flags on your backpack…..and you would still be a disgusting Canadian 11.
God help the people who share any time and space with you.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Canada.
Trekkie Bear….are you assuming, I am White then.
I have many wonderful Black friends by the way…do you?
Well, I have something to say to Disgusted Canadian 11.
Sorry I was cut off there. I am writing from Iraq and I am one of soldiers that you are writing about….one of the hateful killing Americans over in Iraq, who is fighting this war for Adolf Bush the war criminal and doing it for no reason whatsoever because planes did not fly into the Trade Center, the buildings were blown up by our own government. Yes, that is what it is all about.
I have met camels over here in Iraq who are brighter than the whole lot of you. Disgusted Canadian 1 or 11 or whoever you are, I invite you do to come over here and say what you are saying. I invite you to sit with my men, and go out with them on patrol everyday not knowing if the next mile is their last mile…..and how awful to know that we are being blown up all this time by ourselves, when we thought it was the insurgents who were doing that.
I would like you to meet with the Iraqis who greet us on the streets, the ones who appreciate us being here, the ones whose daughters and children had no schooling until now, the ones who now have a hospital because we made one and filled with modern equipment, the Iraqis who now have water and the farmers who now have irrigation. I’d like you to meet the people who speak of the horrific life they had under Saddam where people lived in fear and there was no hope. They live in fear now too but that is a problem we are going to take care and God willing we will be able to stay here until the job is done. I would like you to meet with the people whose families have been tortured and killed by Saddam, I would like you to see the mass graves we have found with hundreds of thousands of bodies, people who apparently died at the same time from some cause. I would like you to see for yourself what it is that you obviously know nothing about as you sit on your haunches up there in Canada and complain about the AMericans on Iraq.
Three of four people on this blog have already tried to get it across to you why we ware here and you don’t seem interested. Well, put your backpack on with its Canadian flag and come over here and do your talking. I am sure the insurgents won’t target you as long as you have that flag on. Stand there with your little maple leaf on your back and shout the stream of nonsense to the insurgents and see how long you live. You seem to think they hate only Americans….think again.
But come over here anyway and meet the guys you are calling fucking AMericans. Meet the people you think are here doing no good but killing innocent citizens. Come see for yourself what is going on, if you have the balls. I somehow don’t think you do but come anyway and let’s give you a ride down a street in Baghdad and hopefully it is not your last.
By the way we know that Saddam did not fly the planes into the twin towers, altho there is one poor soul on this blog who doesn’t even think that happened. Be that as it may, Saddam was a threat to us and actually Canada too. You are not totally exempt from terrorist plans by the way and I understand there was a plot afoot to behead your Prime Minister a while back. So I wouldn’t be too “smug” as someone else so rightly put it.
We came to liberate the Iraqi people, a goal which your country did not think was right and so be it. We appreciate your help in Afghanistan. However, this was our goal here…not to get oil because if that was the goal then our folks at home would not be paying $3 a gallon right now…it would be 75 cents a gallon. Be that as it may, the goal was to get rid of Saddam and the threat that he would sanction and hide terrorists and give them another platform to launch attacks against the US and you too. They had been driven out of Afghanistan and had no where to go and a corrupt regime like Saddam’s would be the perfect place for them. They are here now aren’t they? So why not before….only we are keeping them busy here now…..not on the streets in the US or Canada.
Saddam had used WMD before, hellfire we are the people who sold him the stuff. We know he had them, your country said he had them, he used them on the Kurds….and those people in the mass graves did not all die at once from a heart attack. He had already attacked his neighbors in Kuwait so what was the reasoning in waiting around for his next move and to have Iraq another place for them to plan another 9/11. You don’t know what 9/11 was like buddy….I do…I lost two brothers who were fire fighters. I am the last son….but my parents know this is the right thing for me to be doing and the right place to be.
Someone on here made some comment about the PM in Canada going to all the funerals and how Bush doesn’t do that. Darlin….we have lost thousands…the man would have to be at funerals all day long every day of the year….c’mon now. You know that. But he comes over here to see us…and we appreciate that and we appreciate him.
We wouldn’t have had the mess in NY had we a president who put us to work after the first terrorist attack…or the second or the third or the fourth or the fifth. When we started dealing with terrorists we were already years behind and just had not been put to good use. This guy Bush is not only protecting us but you guys as well. You are also the infidel…they hate you too buddy….don’t kid yourself. While you are hating us, the terrorists are hating us and you too.
I think you need to chill out buddy…..nothing you say makes any sense but Jane and Giga and BA do. Jane has had the experience you are lacking and she has the knowledge you are lacking. You only have hate going for you and its against the wrong people, buddy. So chill out…and don’t waste your time writing back a whole pile of viscious canuck to me…...I am out of here. I have a job to do today….and it is not killing innocent people. It’s protecting them from people who hate like you do….only they do it with bombs and not words.
So come one over buddy…..see what it’s like….see who it is you are falsely accusing….and after while if you still feel the same way….then you will have earned the right to sit safely up in Canada writing your hateful blogs.
I am outta here,
Be safe.
Oh and by the way….FoxNews tells it like it is…..we listen and watch it over here because they are right on the money as to what is going….they show both sides of the coin….the good and the bad….they are balanced….some of you on this blog aren’t and the rest of what we hear on the other networks is pure disgusting Canuck II …...no offense buddy!
To Another Disgusted Canadian
You wrote
“I would just like to point out that our military went into Afghanistan to clean up the mess that Bush left when he moved on to Iraq.”
No actually…..not true …is it an epidemic of stupidity up here?
For people who think they know the truth you are in a pretty bad way. There was no mess left by anyone…US troops are still there….new ones went to Iraq….duh…but the fact is that the US troops had to undo the mess the Canadians did, “ooh love me, love me we are the nice guys” and then you let the Taliban back in and now we are having deaths that we didn’t have before because the insurgents are wiping us out too…that’s how much they like us. Ohhh quick…..get some of those Canadian flags for their backpacks because everyone loves us Canadians..even insurgents with bombs. That will stop them in their tracks….hold up that Canadian flag and they will dismantle their bombs and run up and hug our Canuck troops instead.
“Canadian soldiers are primarily trained as PEACEKEEPERS…......”
Well it ain’t workin’
They should have been trained to fight because we are also getting our ass whooped in Afghanistan which was under control.
“Adolf Bush�-loving Americans find hard to comprehend.
Adolf Bush….can’t you come up with something different dear….that one has been used by so many canucks it is getting quite old and it is not really very clever….just shows our ignorance that would call him Adolf and be quite content to leave someone like Saddam on the planet.
“We do not sink trillions of dollars into our military”
..neither does the US…..but moot point cause Canada doesn’t have trillions to spend on anything, who are you kidding.
“because we simply do not feel the need to go to war with countries we just don’t like….ilegally!”
Well, it is a little bit more than not liking Iraq…..why did we go to war with Hitler….he didn’t attack us did he? Did we like him?
This war with Iraq is not illegal…not when you consider that the UN countries who did not want to help or sanction it had their hands in Saddam’s pockets for oil deals. Fact…you can find it anywhere if you care to be informed at all.
“At least we can say that we could go to just about any country and they welcome us with open arms…with any existing dislike for us due to our connection with Americans.”
Oh please…..other countries don’t even know Canada exists…..little red maple leaf or whatever on the backpack. I am a Canadian, I travel….I see Americans get the same welcome as I do. What a lot of hogwash.
“Oh…and about our free health care…it must be doing some good seems you Americans slip across our border to reep its benefits!”
Let me see now….I know about this too as I live in Canada and I have a friend who has been waiting 8 months for the removal of a cancerous bladder..what is exactly free about it
16 cents tax on the dollar tax for every item bought including services like lawyers etc
almost half of salary taken in taxes….
this gets me months of waiting to see doctor and then more to see specialist and then more waiting to have MRI (there are less than 10 such machines in all maritimes)
Okay now I am in the hospital finally…had to come via ER but had three day wait in waiting room….oh yes, 3 days!!
Now I have a room…..but it’s not a room….it’s a bed in a ward…....all that tax money and I get a bed in a ward.
How do I get a private room….oh, health insurance….just like the Americans have to have….only they get instant care! I know that too….instant!
I had a friend in NS who waited four weeks for an angiogram after chest pains….friend in US, had angiogram two hours after onset of chest pains. Guess which friend is still alive?
So what is free about this health care again. Americans come to Canada for cheaper pills…..Canadians go to India for God’s sake to get hip and knee surgery because they can’t wait any more years for it than they already have.
wE DON’T get what WE pay for… WE are paying and paying and paying for this medical care and WE are getting nuttin honey! Don’t bullshit AMericans on here with that free medical care talk.
“Thank God I live in a country that isn’t afraid to speak the truth and present the facts of this war. Our government actually cares about our soldiers…they attend our fallen soldiers homecoming and/or funerals…more than you can say about your president.”
They don’t have to go to thousands of funerals…hello…and the Canadian government has had just as many corruptions as the American. Who even knows the name of the PM…who in the world even cares!
Americans…...most of what you hear from these Canucks is BS…..Canada HAS lousy salaries that are taxed up the ying yang, BUT HIGH COST OF LIVING….OFF THE WALL high unemployment, government spending that is off the wall, poor health care, lousy weather, lack of military strength and on and on…..most of the hate that is voiced against America is actually jealousy.
I would like to see one Canadian get on here and tell the truth….oh ye country of truth lovers and peace. What a pile of Canuck!
BA what are we going to do with these people?
I don’t know but if you look back…..the people who have positive and informative things to say do so in a nice way without using profanity. Disgusting Canadian 11 and a few others can’t seem to say anything unless there is a lot of usage of the word Hate and Fuck and a lot of capitol letters and explanation points …let’s not even mention the spelling which is indicative of abject ignorance right away. So I guess the thing to do is to consider the source and when the source is YELLING on here with profanity…then they really don’t have that much to say and the only way they can get across that pitiful opinion is to be obscene. Not so with Jane and the soldier and Charles and Giga. They say what they have to say with poise and education and facts and it is worth reading.
Just watch. The first response today from either Disgusting Canadian 11 will be a lot of “F” words and the word hate and so and so forth, because the poor man can’t say anything other than that. John and Mikael are no better.
So actually I am quite enjoying this blog other than those creatures of misery.
Ironically the most violent blogs on here have been from the peace loving Canucks.
Guffaw!
Umm…can I just say that when I wrote “Adolf Bush” I was actually quoting someone …it wasn’t me trying to come up with my own ideas….unlike you Charles…with your “taxed up the ying yang” remark…I seem to remember that one being used in previous comments….so is that your own idea?? And I never said that our health care was perfect…lord knows it could be improved…but at least it ensures basic care for the children and elderly of our country regardless of social class. I don’t understand why our weather would have anything to do with this conversation…if you wanna talk weather than just let me say this…it may be not be the best at times but lets just be thankful that we don’t have to deal with deadly tornados, earthquakes…and deadly hurricanes. We have our share of natural hazards but it will continue to get worse due to North America’s ignorance to global warming…we certainly don’t need anyone else attacking us…we are attacking ourselves and future generations. Many other contries may not know much about us Canadians…but I would choose that over the whole world hating us and our criminal government. I have a friend who served in Afghanistan from this past August to March….and he doesn’t understand why we are stil over there! Why is it that the whole process in Afghanistan has lasted this long…the fact is that it would not be lasting this long if Bush didn’t put all his resources in fighting in Iraq.
DN,
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for all that you have done and will continue to do for the freedom of our country and Iraq. May God protect you and your men. Watch your six and keep your head.
Please do not let the viciousness of some hurt you. We know of your sacrifice, of your efforts. There are far more of us that are proud of you. We support you and will thank you again when you return. God bless!
With sincerest love and appreciation,
Jane
Dear “Another disgusted Canadian”
It must be an epidemic Charles.
I would like to jump in on this one. I am an American who has family in Canada and so I can see both sides of the coin.
You are implying that the US doesn’t have health care for children and elderly but it does. I am a nurse and I can assure that it does exist. I don’t know what you are basing your insinuation on but like most Canadians on here you have an abysmal ignorance of all things American. Your news source, is it the CBC, is doing y’all a disfavor.
Here in Georgia for one example we have Peach Care for children which is wonderful and does not cost 16 cents on every dollar plus taxes “up the ying yang” and it insures a private room and not a ward. A ward? how antiquated.
You actually do have deadly hurricanes in Nova Scotia. In fact you just had one with Juan a few years ago, a category three and the EMT who died was the friend of one my friends. Small world.
We all know that blizzards are hurricanes with snow and not just a yummy drink at the DQ and you have way too many of those. There is some hope a tornado won’t hit you. There is no hope in a blizzard.
My only experience with a tornado was in Hamilton Ontario in 1971 and I live in Georgia.
So let’s let the weather and the global warming alone because we all know that somehow both must be the fault of America and George Bush. Whatever are y’all going to do when he is no longer President? Whomever will you blame for all your problems?
My goodness but is must be wonderful to have the whole world love you because you are so perfect. What do you do for the world to achieve such a state of grace?
Actually the whole world does not love you nor does it hate us. There are countries which receive more than 30 billion a year in foreign aid who are grateful to the Americans as are those whom the US helps in times of disaster.
No one comes to our assistance when we have one. You guys sent us one of your two frigates after Katrina. It was filled with diapers and French speaking people, God knows why. Does your government think people in New Orleans speak French? You really don’t know that much about the US do you?
Anyway it arrived weeks after everyone had left and I gather from my family that the venture cost y’all 10 million buckaroos and 2 million of that somehow was airfares to send home the French civilians. They must have traveled first class around the world first. However, we did help y’all with Juan. We helped NS but the rest of Canada did not. That was very sad. No help from Quebec or Ontario.
Do you even like each other? Tell me true, do you even know the words of your national anthem? I don’t know one Canadian who does.
I must say you are not really for each other at all and you only agree on your anti-Americanism. The French want to leave and Ontario is a big US wanna be while denying it at the same time. The prairies are out of touch with the rest of the country and the Maritimes are always made fun of by the rest of the country. Who knows anything about BC?
As for Afghanistan, it regressed because y’all were buddy buddies with the Taliban who are thanking you now with bombs. I think y’all went into this war thinking it was going to be a fast meal but it is not. No war is. Our troops are still in Germany and Japan and Korea.
Anyway, Canada is not all that great and I think you are really a teensy bit jealous of the US. You need to stop that now and be sweetness and sugar to each other.
Another Disgusted Canadian wrote
”...but at least it (free (?) medicine) ensures basic care for the children and elderly of our country regardless of social class.”
HO HO…you mean if the Queen or PM got sick in Ottawa and needed surgery at the same time that Jo Smith who was finally getting his gallbladder removed after months and years of waiting…that Jo Smith’s surgery would be done first….over the Queen?
GUFFAW!
You really do live in the land of Oz up there? Or is it the Land of Ooze!
BA – Just wanted to clarify that I was not agreeing with Disgusted Canadian II in his previous remarks but simply to the fact that many people colour all Americans with same brush rather than looking at each person individually. I was agreeing with him on the fact that there are some very nice Americans out there. Many people have a tendency to say they hate “Americans” in general which is ridiculous. Not all Canadians are fantastic either.
I think I have met a few on here…not you.
Yes Mona..I do know the words to “Oh Canada”...in English and in French. And as a Newfoundlander I would like to say “Your Welcome” to America for accomodating and providing for the Americans that had their flights diverted to our province following 9/11. And for all of you who don’t know where Newfoundland is then I suggest you dust off your atlas and look it up.
Goodness gracious, are you still looking for more thanks after all these years?
Well, then thank you my dear.
I believe Bush and Rice did thank Canada on many occasions. There were a lot of people to bury first so perhaps you will forgive any delay there. I am sorry that you personally did not get any recognition.
Since we are on the subject, maybe you could say a nice big thank you back to the US for their help after the Halifax Explosion.
Most Americans are familiar with Newfoundland, maybe not from a dusty atlas but from the rather cruel “Newfie jokes” that we hear.
DN, good to see that you’re watching Fox News in Iraq, the newtowrk that “tells it like it is”.
Don’t you have any teenagers to rape?? Or land mines to step on?
You make me sick. Enjoy your war. I’m outta here. It’s been a blast – no pun intended, DN.
If you must know the truth, I pray for the families of folks serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, who don’t agree with these wars but who know that their military members “serve”, which is why they enlisted. No one in their right mind (like Rosie) would call people “serving” terrorists. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are the “terrorists”, no different from Bin Laden.
Of course, the exception is someone like DN, who’s frothing at the mouth to kill some “Eye-Rackee’s”, or maybe stick a plunger up someone’s ass. Luckily, there’s very few bad apples like DN serving over there, IMO.
BA and Jane, are you both deploying soon to get your own pounds of flesh??
First let me say, I’m totally blown away by the extreme vitriole being demonstrated on this blog. First by people who don’t live in this country yet presume to judge this country’s politics and history. And secondly by people who are defending a woman who has made more outrageous statements and anti-american comments than any other american alive.
I am what you might call an oxymoron in that I am African American and a conservative. Now, before you shut down and refuse to hear me because of my use of the word conservative, let me tell you, I was also active during the civil right struggles of the late 60’s and early 70’s, so I have a right to choose my political leanings with freedom and pride.
For all you wannabe historians and politicians, let me set you straight on a few things: Liberalism in this country is equal to communism in Eastern Europe, except it is more dangerous. Liberals want to cede the sovereign rights of the U.S. to the United Nations, a body that has been unable to defend any nation it has overseen since it’s inception. If you don’t believe that, then study the history of Crete, a nation to this day that is under UN control and is still at war; Do you remember, Bosnia? A nation that was on the verge of self-destruction while the UN bickered and debated it’s endless resolutions while the US sent in troops to separate the factions. Remember, we still have troops in that country; Somalia was also under UN rule when the Pakistani soldiers were kidnapped and the almighty UN was unable to secure their release. If I’m not mistaken, it was due to the US that they were set free. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but even Iraq was under no less than 17 UN resolutions for it’s failure to account for the very WMD that you people are pretending no longer exists. Funny how it existed in 1991, and it existed in 1998. Do you remember the American and Swedish UN observers that were kicked out of Iraq in 1999 and 2000 because they demanded an account for these elusive weapons? Do you remember Scott Ritter? The former American Marine who was selected by the UN who initially discovered the missing quantities of Anthrax and other chemical weapons that were tagged by the UN during the 1991 war? That’s right, these weapons were identified, tagged, logged and sealed during the 1991 war. These weapons then mysteriously disappeared. So do you think it’s beyond reason that every country in the western hemisphere, including Russia, believed these weapons were still there?
Here is the $64,000 question….since the weapons are not there now, WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM? And please don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by assuming they never existed. Even Saddam admitted that the weapons existed. If you were like me, during the runup to the war in March of 2003, Saddam first threatened the coalition by stating that he had modified his stockpile of SCUD missiles to have a longer range. HE threatened to use “whatever means were at my disposal to defend Iraq. This includes using chemical weapons if necessary.” Here’s what we all seem to forget, this was being covered starting in November of 2002, not by Fox news, but by that bastion of liberal media, CNN. In fact, if you check out this website, you will see the list of WMD that had been discovered in Iraq prior to 2003 – http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/weapons/index.html. Ah, how convenient it is to have selective memory.
Now, back to my point about liberalism. Remember, it was a liberal president, Jimmy Carter who armed and funded Iraq in it’s war against Iran, AFTER he failed to rescue the american hostages in Tehran. Remember, it was a liberal president, Jimmy Carter, who armed the Taliban when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. Yes, this includes Osama Bin Laden. It was a liberal president who created the modern welfare system, which was designed initially to help impoverished whites in America during the depression, but ended up being a tool to control impoverished blacks and keep them subservient to the Democratic party. THEN, it was a liberal president, Bill Clinton, that attempted to abolish the very tool his party has used for years to gain the support of those very people.
The Civil Rights movement was in response to the war on blacks fought by the liberal government in the south that believed that we were non-humans. Remember, George Wallace, the governer of Alabama that tried to block James Meredith from gaining admissions to the University of Alabama, was a democrat. Remember, Bull Conner, the democratic chief of police of Birmingham that used fire hoses and police dogs against children. Remember, it was in Selma that the attack by Alabama State police was waged on the Edmund Pettus bridge (look it up).
Just so you don’t think I’m picking on Alabama, it was in Mississippi where the White Citizens Council was birthed, a democratic organization designed to keep blacks segregated and from being able to vote. It was in Atlanta where some of the most difficult conflicts of the civil rights movement took place. Now for my norther brothers and sisters, does the name Mayor Richard Daley ring a bell? Wasn’t he the democratic mayor to found a way to allow dead people to vote? Wasn’t he the one that turned the Chicago police into storm troopers during the 1968 democratic convention, killing several protestors to the Vietnam War? Ah yes, the Vietnam war. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but wasn’t it a democratic president (Lyndon Johnson) who threw us full tilt into the Vietnam war, immediately after his democratic predecessor was assassinated for trying to get us out of Vietnam (John Kennedy)?
And finally, was it not Slick Willy Clinton who was manning the ship when the first World Trade Center bombing took place (1993)? Wasn’t it Slick Willy who was president when the Embassy bombings in Africa occurred (1998) and nothing was done. Wasn’t that same Slick Willy the prez when the USS Cole was attacked (October 2000, remember, Election Day wasn’t until November so you certainly can’t blame this one on Georgie Bush). Wasn’t it Slick Willy who was prez when we cut and ran from Somalia after putting our boys in harm’s way only to then turn his back on them when the first shots were fired? And lastly, if memory fails me, it was the Democratic Supreme Court who tried to userp Florida State Law that governs elections in the state so that you people could get your boy Al Gore elected, (remember, he invented the Internet), thus causing the Supreme Court of the US to step in. And if you read their decisions, even the liberals on the US Court, while they weren’t in complete agreement, ALL agreed that the Florida Court was out of order.
So, let’s see who’s willing to retort history and spin it to your liberal ideology.
Elisabeth has many good points, so does Rosie. But Elisabeth always takes Rosie’s crap and it was about time for her to fight back! YAY ELISABETH!!